Last week, while visiting Utah over the holidays, I met with three other members of the blogger community for what my Brother-in-Law has termed the first annual Exmo Expo. There were a few threads of discussion (we talked for over five hours!), but only two that I want to give more time to here: the issue of whether Christopher McCandless (the young man who inspired the book and movie Into the Wild) was being inconsiderate to his parents and the issue about whether “anarchism” is a realizable goal.
In an essay on Shakespeare’s most famous play, the poet TS Eliot makes the claim that the only way of expressing emotion in art is by “finding an ‘objective correlative’; in other words, a set of objects, a situation, a chain of events which shall be the formula of that particular emotion; such that when the external facts, which must terminate in sensory experience, are given, the emotion is immediately evoked.” He goes on, using the objective correlative as a fundamental criterion for successful artistic expression, to condemn Hamlet as a failed play, a play in which Hamlet’s emotions are “in excess of the facts” and the dramatist’s emotions unconverted by his artistry.
To his credit, Eliot later denounced the objective correlative as being too rigid and dogmatic, conceding that “it does not necessarily exhaust all the emotional overtones, which are conveyed, as far as they can be, by the incantation of the verse”. But he didn’t denounce the concept entirely, insisting that it “must satisfy the reader or theatrical onlooker that it is the equivalent of the author's feelings, and thus as far as necessary communicates and renders intelligible these feelings”.
To a certain extent, as I’ll explain shortly, I agree with Eliot’s insights, but I strongly take issue with his final judgment. Hamlet is a great play, and it’s precisely because Hamlet lacks an objective correlative for his emotions that the play works. It’s the failure of the play—the failure to force experience into language and a familiar story—that makes Hamlet the indisputable success that it is, both in terms of its impact and its longevity.
Eliot is right on one account, though. The play is, ultimately, a dramatization of failure—a failure, in this case, to create a set of facts capable of reproducing the intensity of the artist’s inner experience. For that reason, Hamlet is not a play for everyone. It’s not a play for the vast numbers of people who have deadened the intensity of their emotions by trimming them down to fit the circumstances of the world that they live in—for those who, because their careers and their domestic lives insist on it, have put their feelings to sleep. For that audience, art has to be jarring and unpleasant. It has to awaken.
But Hamlet is not for that audience. Hamlet was written for those already awake, for those too much awake, for those too much alive, or, to use Hamlet’s words, “too much under the sun”. Hamlet is a play for the other Hamlets of the world, for the person of sensibility, who, as Eliot deftly articulates, has maintained the life within him (and the intensity of feeling normally only felt in adolescence) by his “ability to intensify the world to his emotions”.
Such a person was Christopher McCandless. By fleeing “into the wild”, McCandless was not merely attempting to escape his parents and society’s expectations, he was trying to keep his emotions alive and to intensify the world he lived in to match his inner awareness; he was seeking an objective correlative, an objective correlative that would not limit and tame his inner feeling but would enhance and nurture it. He was trying to avoid domestication. McCandless sought the kind of relationship that he couldn’t have with his parents or with anyone who has “trimmed down her feelings to fit the business world”; he sought a relationship that only an artist can realize and a relationship that can only exist in the raw, in primitive conditions, a relationship “between two solitudes that protect and greet each other”, a relationship between two autonomous and equal entities. For McCandless, as with Hamlet, the thought of reducing his passions to accommodate society’s expectations was unthinkable. For the Hamlets of the world there is only one way to interact with society, and that’s by elevating society, by intensifying the world, even with cruelty, to match their inner passions, passions as yet undiminished by the threats and tyranny of civilization.
For these people there are two choices: suicide or revolt. They cannot cow their emotions to suit those who love them. They cannot be imprisoned, except by bad dreams. Instead, they must create the conditions for cohesion by not merely escaping into the wild but by importing the wild into civilization. They must act to embody their passions. Otherwise, the life within them will be extinguished. Though they direct their actions onto others, it is their own fullness, their own life and freedom, at a minimum, that is being preserved.
For the anarchist who has not forsaken his feelings and authenticity, the question of whether anarchy is a realizable goal becomes secondary; the real question is Hamlet’s question, the question of whether “to be or not to be”, the question of how life itself, in all its freedom and wholeness and reality, can be perpetuated. Whether the anarchist dream can actually be achieved is merely an intellectual question, a question asked by the prisoner in order to tolerate his incarceration. It isn’t a question asked by the animal in an effort to stay alive or the mother instinctively acting to protect her child, and it isn’t a question asked by the anarchist.
But it is a question that every civilized human, even the Hamlets of the world, have to wrestle with at one time or another. While most of us deal with the problem by putting our hopes to sleep, others, the intellectuals, deal with it through exorcism, by finding an objective correlative that will petrify our yearnings rather than nourish and broaden them. In Hamlet, we witness such an effort, the effort, as described by Herman Muller, “to articulate a despair so it can be left behind.” Art provides a means to articulate that despair and to consequently escape it, but, as Hamlet shows, it is an effort doomed to failure—to failure and to isolation and to existential impotence.
The ghosts of our fathers, the ghosts that speak to us from the grave and from the mouths of our parents and our teachers, must be listened to but they don’t have to be obeyed. The past does not have to be exorcised or to determine us. That attempt at determination, that social programming, in fact, must be resisted, just as Hamlet and McCandless resisted it, by insisting on one’s non-meaning and wildness—by refusing to become an objective correlative that can be owned—by maintaining one’s solitude and one’s otherness in the face of a reified world attempting to tame, largely by shaping our desires into fetishes, our natural passions.
Both Hamlet and McCandless succeeded in their resistance (or would have succeeded, I’m presuming, had they lived). They learned that the only way to preserve their solitude and their authenticity was by engaging the other as other—by relating creatively to the life around them rather than imposing their will or being imposed upon. In a sense, both learned to become artists—post-modern or Zen artists, in a way, who attempt to relate to others through experience, through untamed and unlimited experience, rather than through dogma and conceptualization. They learned to engage the world rather than symbolize it. In that respect, Hamlet’s and McCandless’ quest becomes the quest of the artist—the quest to find self-expression through poetry, through “the incantation of the verse” instead of through the manipulation of concepts and language that would define and thereby minimize rather than intensify the experience of the audience. By not identifying a clear objective correlative, by not defining or minimizing Hamlet’s experience in any way, Shakespeare manages to engage the audience without condescension, without determining them or allowing their preconceptions to determine his expression and his actions. By altering traditional expectations of meaning and structure, the audience is allowed to experience the play afresh, without instruction. As a result, the theater experience is intensified in a way that enables the audience to relate to the play, and to the artist and characters who help create the play, in all its terrible beauty and horror--as "the thing that it is that can be no other thing". The viewer is forced then to look life head on, in all its wildness and ineffable mystery, and to choose either to ignore or to exorcise it, but not to control it, not to make of it a possession. In other words, the artist insists on being related to honestly. At times, such an insistence might be seen as cruel (“I must be cruel, only to be kind: Thus bad begins and worse remains behind”--Hamlet Act III scene IV.), and at times, because the stipulation isn’t honored, it can be seen as evasive, but in truth it is neither.
And the struggle to realize anarchy, to strip experience of all that defines and limits it and in that way to create a space wherein honest and equal interaction is possible, is no different than the artist’s struggle to reach an audience. One does not embark on such a struggle out of feasibility but out of self-preservation. And the artist’s public struggle cannot be divorced from the private struggle. One’s private revolt, one’s efforts to preserve a healthy solitude and to avoid domination, becomes realized only through action, through public and conspicuous resistance. In an interdependent world, the self cannot exist except through relationship, which means that one cannot exorcise the problems of the world away or cast them outside of one’s self. The past cannot be left behind, but, by engaging the world as a creator, as one who magnifies possibility instead of coercing it into oblivion, the past can be transformed. And by transforming your conditioned self, the self imposed on you from patriarchical ghosts throughout the centuries, and by simultaneously transforming all your relationships and preserving your authenticity, you are also transforming the world; you are attempting to realize the anarchist both within and beyond you. In that sense, the artistic and the anarchist struggle, the struggle to achieve self-liberation, is also the struggle to achieve communion and a struggle that isn't avoidable, a struggle to love and to be loved without restraint.
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“I believe that reading, in its original essence, is the fruitful miracle of communication within the midst of solitude. [To read (and, I might add, to honestly relate)] is to receive a communication with another way of thinking, all the while remaining alone, that is, while continuing to enjoy the intellectual power that one has in solitude and that conversation dissipates immediately.”
Proust
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I promised myself, fully aware of the irony given the nature of your post, to wait to finish reading this until I finished up my obligations (putting on an adjunct forum tomorrow) but I couldn't resist.
It's quite a post: I'm moved, perplexed, almost angered all at once. Must sleep now as I can barely see through the slits in my eyes but will return this weekend as I have much to say back to/into/around.
Quickly, I'm in love with this theme: "One does not embark on such a struggle out of feasibility but out of self-preservation." That speaks to me on a profound level.
Ok, must sleep now; my motives and emotions circumscribed, trimmed as you say, into fulfilling my duties, being on time, being prepared, looking smart, doing my duty.
Just for the record, CI, I wasn't thinking of you in any way when I wrote about "the vast numbers of people who have deadened the intensity of their emotions by trimming them down to fit the circumstances of the world that they live in".
And the critique of the intellectual mindset isn't directed at you, either--not necessarily. Although the question of feasibility, is, to me, an intellectual rationalization for passivity, I'm not saying that anyone who raises the question is a pacifist. I, more than anyone I know, am guilty of intellectualizing my way out of acting on my values. If anything, that's a self-critique.
Anyway, just wanted to clarify that. I look forward to reading your later comments.
oh I didn't think you were talking about me specifically--did I insinuate that? I was bowled (spell?) by the post, completely bowled over and would say more now but my six year old wants to look up pokemon creatures on my laptop and won't stop asking. I will come back to this.
I understand. Pokeman takes precedence.
Yeah, based on your first comment, I worried that you thought I was talking about you. Glad we're clear.
Okay... I'm going to give it a go.
"McCandless was not merely attempting to escape his parents and society’s expectations, he was trying to keep his emotions alive and to intensify the world he lived in to match his inner awareness; he was seeking an objective correlative, an objective correlative that would not limit and tame his inner feeling but would enhance and nurture it. He was trying to avoid domestication." His actions didn't seem to be pointed toward keeping his emotions alive. Rather they often seemed pointed at avoiding them.
Further, What the hell is wrong with domestication per se? When we live in ANY envioronment we adapt to it. IN other words, domesticated by it. It seems that Macandless didn't wish to be domesticated by human dominated environments. He didn't seem to avoid domestication, at times, before heading to Alaska. He held jobs (albeit for short periods of time). He maintained social relationships (even relished them). He completed his schooling (very domesticating event there). And, he maintained constant dependency on others (for rides, companionship, conversation, stimulation) throughout his sojourn.
He seemed to me to provide a paradox. He wanted to be authentic (traveling on whims, enjoying his leisure time, being liked and respected throughout his journeys, working hard, etc.), but he didn't seem to have a co-lateral respect for others being content inside the framework of the work-a-day world (especially his parents). He lived with the vagrants and hippies in California, but eschewed those who chose to live in another societal construct within the city.
You wrote, "McCandless sought the kind of relationship that he couldn’t have with his parents or with anyone who has “trimmed down her feelings to fit the business world.” I see this as an assertion with little merit. Who says that just because people (particularly his parents) operate within the mainstream that they "trim" feelings to fit? I am sure that some do. As, I am sure, that some do who live outside the business world.
My point is the difference between selfishness, and selflessness. Not that I advocate either as a rule for living. It seems that Macandless lived a selfish life. He was not engaged by sympathizing or empathizing with his family members. It seems that he did what he wanted, regardless of its effects (negative or positive) upon others. In a solipsism this may work, but on a planet wherein we have cooperation and the "others" it seems a bit trite.
"For these people there are two choices: suicide or revolt." I believe this to be a false dichotomy. A third option is learning to find ways to have instances of the "Hamlet-ness," intermixed with the demands/sympathies required for being a cooperating human in the world.
"Though they direct their actions onto others, it is their own fullness, their own life and freedom, at a minimum, that is being preserved." We can agree here. But this, again, reflects a selfishness that seems unattainable and self-serving.
"The ghosts of our fathers, the ghosts that speak to us from the grave and from the mouths of our parents and our teachers, must be listened to but they don’t have to be obeyed."- This is the cornerstone of my skepticism and approach to seeking truth. I have never seen/heard it articulated so clearly and musically as this. I fully intend to steal it, use it often, and pass it off as my own work. *wink and a nudge here*
"In an interdependent world, the self cannot exist except through relationship, which means that one cannot exorcise the problems of the world away or cast them outside of one’s self."- Exactly my point. Macandless did just the opposite as I see it. He tried to cast aside relationships with everyone, except the relationship he had with himself. I see this as the root of his unhappiness. He traveled far but was unable to run from the sadness of his childhood, and ultimately unilaterally brought on the destruction of relationships. It seemed to me that he was running from emotions rather than embracing and dealing with them. His search for freedom, it seemed, was via physical movement. When, in reality, his chains appeared to be emotional. That is why I don't think he found the true "objective correlative." He never really tackled, it seemed, the source of his angst, tumult, and fear. Whereas, I think that Hamlet did.
The need for individuation, in contrast with socialization seems to be at the heart of your anarchism as I understand it. I may be wrong, and I am certain you will correct my errors of interpretation and thought here. That society, especially the domesticated society that is the mainstream of America today, requires some suspension of disbelief, and a certain amount of individual degradation. This leads, I think, to the inauthenticity you allude to.
Yet, doesn't individuation, taken to its extreme, also lead to suspension of disbelief on the things that society may have right? Can it be, at times, a rebellion of society qua society? An "anything society attempts to do/coerce/create, the opposite must be correct- mentality"? Literally, rebellion for rebellions sake.
"The past cannot be left behind, but, by engaging the world as a creator, as one who magnifies possibility instead of coercing it into oblivion, the past can be transformed"- I am of the opinion that the past can not be transformed. It is what it is. I believe the here-and-now actions, thoughts, deeds, and words matter. Present becomes past. Future becomes present. The Present well lived authentically within the confines of relational understanding, and balanced with egoistic need fulfillment may lead to the greatest amount of happiness for all. Is this anarchism (or the underpinnings of it?)?
In the end we disagree on your final point, "a struggle to love and to be loved without restraint." - Love without restraint isn't something I think possible. For me, love is behavior. Since one may behave, or not behave, there must always be restraint as long as there is choice. For me, choice is the thing most at risk in our domesticated world. As others manipulate us to begin to believe that choices are limited, diminishing, and restricted the "self" becomes a diluted vestige of what we may be.
Great POST!!! Made smoke some out my ears.
Much love,
HH
Hey HH. Thanks for the long thoughtful comment. Here’s my response:
As far as the interpretation of McCandless’ actions go, I don’t have much to say. I haven’t read the book, so there’s probably a lot of info. I’m not privy to. My interpretation is based solely on the film, and I’ve been told that Sean Penn romanticizes the story a bit.
But I do want to respond to a few of the other issues you raised.
You wrote: “What the hell is wrong with domestication per se? When we live in ANY envioronment we adapt to it. IN other words, [we’re] domesticated by it.”
First of all, adapting to an environment isn’t the same as being domesticated by it. Domestication is a specific kind of adaptation—a kind of adaptation that relies on captivity and conquest. Here’s the Webster definition: “(biology) The adaptation of an animal or plant through breeding in captivity to a life intimately associated with and advantageous to humans.”
What’s wrong with that, you ask? Well, if you’re the one doing the domesticating, maybe nothing. But if you’re the one in captivity, you might not find it so innocuous. If you’re the animal forced to live in a 2’ by 2’ cage until you’re ready for slaughter or the human animal forced to work on a plantation or a factory until you’re dispensable, you might not find it such a great adaptation strategy. And, on a purely practical level, leaving the ethics of it aside, it’s wrong because, as it’s being practiced by humans, it limits diversity, an essential quality for future and long-term adaptations. It guarantees our extinction.
When you suggest that McCandless didn’t have “a co-lateral respect for others being content inside the framework of the work-a-day world”, I agree with you. But I don’t think anyone who has escaped domestication SHOULD have co-lateral respect for those “content” with their enslavement. Actually, that’s not true. I think you should have respect for the person, but not the “contentment”. For the same reason, I think it’s okay to have respect for Mormons but not Mormonism. I think we agree on that. But to me those who believe in Capitalism or in Government are just as delusional as Mormons.
To me, the “work-a-day world”, as you describe it, is an oppressive system, and NO ONE should be content with it. The reason I suggest that people within the business world have “trimmed down their feelings” is because the business world couldn’t exist, in my view, if people were really free to exercise their full humanity, if their passions weren’t tamed and repressed. If you adopt a lifestyle that requires you to both oppress and be oppressed by others, you aren’t going to develop into or remain a complete human being; your way of life requires you to be corralled, to be cut off from awareness of the sufferings you inflict and receive. Authentic people, people who maintain their intensity of feeling (which comes, I believe, via one’s sense of relatedness to her/his environment), can’t live that kind of lifestyle.
At the same time, I’m advocating only for revolt, not personal disrespect. I fully acknowledge my own domestication. And I’m trying, through revolt, to de-program.
You wrote:
"For these people there are two choices: suicide or revolt." I believe this to be a false dichotomy. A third option is learning to find ways to have instances of the "Hamlet-ness," intermixed with the demands/sympathies required for being a cooperating human in the world.
If you’re finding ways “to have instances of the Hamletness”, you’re in revolt. Maybe you mean something else by “Hamletness”. I’m not sure. But Hamlet was most certainly in revolt. Also, you can’t, or rather you wouldn’t want to in most instances, cooperate with someone or something that is trying to destroy you. The system we live in is trying to destroy us (and everything around us). To develop a cooperative way of life, which I’m fully in favor of, you have to resist the mechanisms (Capitalism, Government, Religion) that are trying to prevent such a lifestyle.
You wrote:
The need for individuation, in contrast with socialization, seems to be at the heart of your anarchism as I understand it.
As you suspected, your interpretation of my anarchism is WAY off. I’m not going to correct you, though, because I think I’ve already clarified my views in other posts that you’ve read and in conversations we’ve had. To be frank, I’m a little tired of repeating myself (And I don’t mean that personally in any way; I’m just very literally tired of repeating myself. I’m not accusing you of being evasive. I don’t expect anyone to retain everything he reads or hears). But I will say this much: I’m NOT rebelling for rebellion’s sake. I know that’s the cliché anarchist mindset presented by pop culture, but, surprise surprise, it’s not accurate. It doesn’t even fit the teenage anarchists I know.
You wrote:
“Love without restraint isn't something I think possible. For me, love is behavior. Since one may behave, or not behave, there must always be restraint as long as there is choice. For me, choice is the thing most at risk in our domesticated world. As others manipulate us to begin to believe that choices are limited, diminishing, and restricted the "self" becomes a diluted vestige of what we may be.”
Not quite sure what you’re saying here, but I agree that love is behavior. And when behavior is restrained, so is the emotion the behavior attempts to demonstrate or create.
Okay, that’s all for now. Gotta get some sleep. I may write more later.
Adios Amigo!
9:44 PM
okay...so I realize that this conversation happened weeks ago!! but (having been enslaved by the business world) I'm now freeing myself up to read. I didn't want to read until my mind was settled and open enough to process.
I hear what you're saying Shane, even though I won't pretend that I fully understand, but I am touched and amazed by your writing. I also think HH's response was deeply thoughtful and intelligent. What I get out of it isn't so much a direct response to what was said but more of an internal reaction. These ideas allow me to think thoughts that I could likely never have come up with on my own. And I love that you don't both come to an agreement. For example...this idea that I am or we are domesticated or enslaved by society...is something I don't think I would have consideredn m own, nor do I think most of us think of it in these terms. But does a tiger in a cage in the zoo, bred and born in captivity realize that he is a captive? I'm not sure. Can you miss what you've never had?
On the other hand...while I complain about...and hate the hours it robs from my leisure time... my contribution into the business world, or society... what I do for living, the roles I have in society as a mommy, a neighbor,...I don't see these roles as society enslaving me, more than I am giving this part of myself away. Why? I guess I hope that in some small way I'm contributing to something larger than myself. (I guess at this point Shane might ask....but what is it that you are contributing to?) Or...maybe I am moving forward in autopilot mode, doing what is expected, part of the mindless masses. Afterall, that virtue has been drilled into me by my Mormon heritage. But now that I've had some courage to question it, it has left me now with this feeling like maybe I'm being screwed, which makes Shanes ideas very appealing.
And then...I think of my kids. They need proper food, housing, an education, security. I'll admit, I need help from society to provide them with all of this. I have no other society to turn to other than the one I have in front of me. I'd like to see some changes, but if the structure collapes...I wonder where that will leave me and my kids. (by the way...I'm not saying that the collapse of society is what anarchism is all about. I think it has to do more with building and living in a society that is life and resource sustaining, one that give more control and autonomy to the individual. It's probably has more to do with cooperation than our current situation).
I give to society by my work, it gives back. Some cooperation seems inherent from both sides. I need the community, it needs me. Am I a slave to it? Am I being controlled? I don't know. Something I better think about more.
Back to McCandless. Remember at the end of the movie, he had plans to return? I don't think he intended to make the trailer in Alaska his end station in life. I had the feeling that he found some way to mesh his need for others by living in society with his need for individuality and freedom. Was he making a concession or did he reconcile something inside himself? But I suppose I am reading into it what makes the most sense to me.
Okay,..kids are back from their weekly religious indoctrination and with their presence comes a high intensity and energy.
Can't think anymore. Must do laundry. I want to find a society where there is no laundry. I don't care if I'm controlled, if I don't have to rub grass stains out of knees anymore it will be worth it.
Nice to see your name again, SE, among the comments.
You wrote:
"On the other hand...while I complain about...and hate the hours it robs from my leisure time... my contribution into the business world, or society... what I do for living, the roles I have in society as a mommy, a neighbor,...I don't see these roles as society enslaving me, more than I am giving this part of myself away. Why? I guess I hope that in some small way I'm contributing to something larger than myself."
I'm not in any way saying that everything you do as a part of society is the result of coercion or enslavement. But I would say that the slave system limits your options--and limits even your awareness of your options. Also, you can contribute to something larger than yourself and still be in resistance to slavery. In fact, being in resistance to slavery IS serving something greater than yourself. In some cases, it isn't about what you're serving but how. Are you, through your service, nurturing the slave system or weakening it? Are you nurturing your neighbors and kids or are you weakening them?
You wrote:
"And then...I think of my kids. They need proper food, housing, an education, security. I'll admit, I need help from society to provide them with all of this. I have no other society to turn to other than the one I have in front of me. I'd like to see some changes, but if the structure collapes...I wonder where that will leave me and my kids."
I think what you're really saying is that you need others--not that you need this particular society. And if this particular society is eradicated, while it will require you to develop new adaptation strategies, it won't leave you alone; it won't leave you without community. What I'm suggesting is that replacing the present society might leave you with a much healthier and MORE helpful community--but it's hard to imagine that we could come up with anything worse. At the same time, I'm not suggesting that there is anything wrong with using the only society that is currently available to meet your needs. It's a necessity to use what resources are at your disposal, but it's not a necessity to believe that all other options are impossible or to fear (more than you embrace) change.
You wrote:
"... by the way...I'm not saying that the collapse of society is what anarchism is all about. I think it has to do more with building and living in a society that is life and resource sustaining, one that give more control and autonomy to the individual. It's probably has more to do with cooperation than our current situation"
Replace "give more control and autonomy to the individual" with "give more RESPONSIBILITY to the individual" and you're spot on. The cult of the individual has nothing to do with my anarchism. I don't believe there is any difference between serving your own interests and serving the interests of others.
You wrote:
"I give to society by my work, it gives back. Some cooperation seems inherent from both sides."
A slave gives to her Master her work, and the Master gives back (food, lodging, etc.) Is THAT cooperation? I wouldn't say so, because only the Master can terminate the relationship and the Master gives to the slave things that shouldn't be his to give. The Master's assigned ownership of certain resources gives him a power to define the relationship according to his standards and in a way that primarily serves only his interests. In a world without ownership--where nature provides equally (and symbiotically) for the slave and the Master--you can't have that kind of exploitative arrangement.
You wrote:
"Back to McCandless. Remember at the end of the movie, he had plans to return? I don't think he intended to make the trailer in Alaska his end station in life. I had the feeling that he found some way to mesh his need for others by living in society with his need for individuality and freedom. Was he making a concession or did he reconcile something inside himself?"
I think you're right; he didn't intend on making the trailer in Alaska his end station. He learned the lie of self reliance. But I don't think he was making a concession. He wasn't giving anything up; he was gaining awareness. As I wrote to CI in the comments to one of my "Money and Make Believe" posts, my anarchism is an indictment of the system not the individuals who, through force, participate in the system. I think McCandless had a similar conviction at the end of his life.
You wrote:
"What I get out of it isn't so much a direct response to what was said but more of an internal reaction. These ideas allow me to think thoughts that I could likely never have come up with on my own."
Well, within THIS community, you certainly give back as much as you receive. Thanks for the comments, and welcome back!
Your essay on authenticity is interesting, Shane. With or without civilization, however, such a quest is daunting if not impossible since much of what we see in ourselves is invented by ourselves and the rest is thrust upon us by our neighbors (civilization). It is possible that there is no authentic self and we delude ourselves to make survival tolerable.
I do believe that rational thought has overwhelmed us in the last few centuries and the value of intuition (irrational instincts) even in our rational constructs have been pretty much ignored, a fact that the upsurge of religious obsession over the past few years have made us painfully aware.
There does seem to be a realization in each of us of our individual uniqueness, and there do seem to be few opportunities to explore that uniqueness. Writing blogs helps me to, if not be me, at least invent me to my satisfaction.
If I have misunderstood the intent of your essay, I'd be interested in hearing more.
PaulEdward
Hi Paul,
I wouldn't say you misunderstood the intent of my essay. But I think we have different definitions of "self". To me, and I think you might agree, the self isn't something that exists in stasis. It's the ever-changing result of our interaction with our environment. When that interaction is honest, the self produced by the interaction is likely to be more authentic. To me, it's the abstractness of modern day life that leads us away from authenticity.
Nice to hear from you! I thought you had given up on the blogger world.
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